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From Novice to Influencer in Rimfire Shooting: Shane Scott’s Journey and Insights
Discover how Shane Scott, co-founder of the Precision Rimfire Outlaw Series, went from a firearm novice in 2020 to a central figure in a rapidly expanding competitive shooting community. Shane's passion for rimfire shooting is infectious, emphasizing its accessibility and the friendly environment that welcomes newcomers. Learn about the evolution from Pro 406 roots in Montana to a cross-continental series that has captivated shooting enthusiasts across North America. This podcast episode uncovers the unique appeal of rimfire shooting and how it has become an inclusive and economical sport for all ages.
Get ready to be transported to a cowboy-themed shooting event in Price, Utah, where the challenges and camaraderie of rimfire competitions come to life. With participants navigating stages using creatively repurposed props, Shane shares the excitement of this unique event and the technical challenges it presented. Whether you're curious about gear setups or how different rimfire brands perform under pressure, the insights and anecdotes shared here will enhance your understanding of the sport's intricacies. The episode also covers practical tips for beginners looking to join this vibrant community, highlighting the supportive nature of fellow shooters eager to lend equipment and advice.
Explore the transformative power of competitive shooting skills in both sporting and hunting contexts, and how these experiences can translate into real-world success. Shane updates listeners on the remarkable growth of the Pro Series, which has expanded from Montana to encompass 50 clubs and possibly beyond to international shores like New Zealand and Australia. As we discuss future plans and the commitment to keeping the series accessible and volunteer-driven, you'll be inspired by how this sport fosters not only personal improvement but also lasting friendships and community bonds. Whether you're a seasoned shooter or just curious, this episode is packed with stories and insights that will spark your interest in the world of rimfire competitions.
Hey guys, welcome back to the PXP podcast. I'm your host, zach, and today I interviewed Shane Scott. He is one of the founders of the Precision Rimfire Outlaw series. That's gotten absolutely big. We cover that. We cover all sorts of stuff on this podcast. It's pretty fun. Shane and I are good buddies, so we have a little bit of history here. Um we talk tips and tricks and match format and rules, um the shooting community, future plans of the pro series and um a little bit of personal stories kind of involved in this one. So this was a pretty good one, so hope you guys enjoy it and, uh, stay tuned for it out. All right, shane, how's it going man?
Speaker 2:Good, how are you Zach?
Speaker 1:Oh, doing good here, doing good, just sitting at my computer just slaving away on some work, and I got some pieces and parts of gun parts coming in today, so I was kind of throwing those on one of my guns, yeah, man, congrats on your new career and everything too.
Speaker 2:You got to listen to your last episode, so, uh, congrats on you. Know, finding happiness, man, I've known you for a little while now and I think that's the biggest thing is happiness. We've talked about this before, but you're not doing something you're enjoying anymore. You know it's okay to move on and do other things and be happy. So glad you're finding your path, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I appreciate that very, very much. It's uh, it's just. Yeah, I wish I would've done this a long time ago, but you know, you just don't know until you do it. And, uh, I went with what I knew and that was sticking with the PD. Heck, yeah, you seem a lot happier.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I've known for a while and you seem in a happy place and and doing something you enjoy. Yeah, it's awesome to see the podcast back up and going and, uh, your your shooting classes and stuff like that. You know it's awesome, very excited to see awesome man appreciate that very much.
Speaker 1:Well, uh, no, just um, give a little, uh, give a little intro, tell uh, tell the people who you are, man cool.
Speaker 2:So yeah, my name is shane scott. I am one of the original founders and now the owner and series coordinator for the precision rimfire outlaw series, or pro series for short. Um, we're not the prs pro series. Um, I joke about this with Ken Wheeler, the owner of the PRS. I didn't even know the Pro Series or the PRS was a thing when we came up with this, but ours is an acronym Precision Rimfire Outlaws or PRO Series. We are a precision rimfire series we started actually the original name was Pro 406, precision Rimfire Outlaws 406 for the state of Montana Started with three clubs and now the series has grown to the point where 50 clubs across the US and Canada. We've gone from Precision Rimfire Outlaws to Precision Rimfire Outlaws 406 to Precision Rimfire Outlaws series or pro series as a whole. Now and now we even we started this is an official company now, or business. So now it's actually the precision room fire organization. We still sticking with the outlaws name, but we had to come up with an actual business. Now this is getting quite big.
Speaker 2:So, but yeah, I started this with a group of buddies Will Walton, who you know, tom Batrick out of Lewistown, who runs the Central Montana Shooting Complex Club and Kyle Gibson out of Glasgow, montana. He isn't really involved much anymore. Work has gone crazy for him so he hasn't been doing a lot of shooting, but that was the original start of how we got started with this. Um, yeah, that's kind of the little background me.
Speaker 2:My background on myself is I'm a competitive shooter. I actually never touched a firearm up until probably 2020, so five years ago, right when the series started. It's my first time I ever touched a firearm. Um, hate to say it, I'm a dirty californian born and raised and got the heck out of that state and moved to montana and ever since then I've been kind of exploring other options and other hobbies and and uh, competitive shooting was one of them and um fell down the rabbit hole hard on this in this sport and uh, but uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's been awesome. Um, I'm loving what I'm doing. This series has grown and we'll talk more about it, but yeah, that's kind of a little background on myself.
Speaker 1:Dude, yeah, now you created something, or you guys created something freaking, just phenomenal. It's just a God. It's so much fun too, you know, and it was funny that I was more of the centerfire competition shooter and you, you and uh trevor drug me into the 22 stuff and I was absolutely hooked like day one it's just, it's something about it.
Speaker 2:Man, like you, don't be wrong, I love centerfire shooting. Am I actually doing more prs centerfire shooting? Uh, or you know, prs style, or you know, the series out here is called the wpr western precision rifle league, run by pete. But, um, I've been a lot more centerfire shooting as well and I've gone down the rabbit hole. Recently. I'm, you know, getting in the reloading game and starting to, you know, get my dasher barrel spun up and there's, there's something to be said about centerfire shooting and pr centerfire shooting. That's just a blast, a good time.
Speaker 2:But rimfire shooting, I don't know what it is about it. Maybe the, the ammo cost and you know, way cheaper, but, um, there's something about it. I mean, I don't know. I think the community, the both communities are great, but the community with the rimfire game is just. You know, you show up, you bring a rifle, you go buy a box of ammo, factory ammo, and you know you shoot and you know if you do crappy. Well, that was eight bucks, you know, eight bucks an ammo. Or even if you're going high on calm stuff, I mean, okay, 15 bucks an ammo, right, like, tell me where you can go shoot a match, centerfire match and shoots you know five, six, seven stages and go oh yeah, that was about 15 an ammo.
Speaker 2:It's like no, that was hours and hours of reloading oh my god, yeah probably 100 bucks in ammo and powder, bullets and brass and and reloading equipment and yeah, so there's something about it that's.
Speaker 1:I think you kind of hit the nail on the head right there, man, because once I realized that I could just literally build a gun and just buy my ammo and just walk out on the range and the ammo, yeah, like you know, a typical match is like, yeah, 15, or you'll buy like two boxes or three boxes or whatever you know, and it's like, oh, my god, this is so much fun and no ear pro and you know, you're not out there all freaking day. And then on top of that, like setting up the range is 10 times easier, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I, I'm, so we'll talk about this more too. But, like you know, I'm a I'm a match director from the beginning, so I posted centerfire and refired matches. And enough for centerfire. I mean, I've got. I got tired of pounding posts on the ground. I wish you'd buy myself a gas powered post pounder. I don't actually, I don't know if I told you this, but yeah, I just bought myself a gas-powered post pounder for this coming WPR season because I'm so tired of hitting and shooting the ground.
Speaker 2:So, I'm making my life simple, man. It was quite expensive, but it's going to save my back for sure.
Speaker 1:Smarter, not harder.
Speaker 2:For center fire, especially out where we're at. You know it's tough. The ground's hard, especially this time of year where we're in the wintertime. The ground's hard especially this time of year where you're in the wintertime, ground's frozen, solid rimfire.
Speaker 2:Walk out there. You know there is some target stands that hit in the ground, but most of them I have are all target stands that just stand. You know, quad leg or four leg stands, and oh yeah, this, you know this is a good distance. I'll measure it boom, 75 yards. Perfect, set it down right there, walk away. You know you don't have to hit in the ground, you don't have anything fancy, just set it down, yeah and those long shots.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, you're. What? Are we out there like 250 yards at most. Yeah, yeah yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:No, totally total. It's just a two different worlds that can kind of correlate too. I mean, it's the same, you're shooting the same positional stuff you still have to have. I mean you still have to, you're shooting the same positional stuff you still have to have. I mean you still have to be a good shooter and everything, and uh, they correlate really, uh, really well together as far as the skill, um. But uh, there's just something fun about uh shooting 22. I almost picked up a huxworks 22 suppressor yesterday, almost did it I.
Speaker 2:I just got my 22 suppressor finally there. I have no doubt. I I've told you this the store, or I know I've told you this store, or cheese can't speak today. I know I've told you this, this. Oh my god, I told you the story before yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:I had three suppressors that sat, basically sat for God, over a year waiting to get because of a place. I got him through didn't turn in paper long story anyways. I got my 22 thunder beast suppressors back and uh, I threw it on my uh, girlfriend's voodoo with a threaded barrel on it and uh, it's been a fun little toy to mess around with. It makes it even quieter. You know you already don't need to wear ear pro, or well, you don't have to wear ear pro in a 22 match, but now it's like it's non-existent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, it's like shooting a pellet gun yeah, I've heard some pellet guns that are louder than that suppressed 22s oh 100, 100 nice, well, let's, uh, let's. I'm gonna switch uh gears a little bit. Keep us on track here. Um, so, dude, like tell us, like how did you guys come up with the, with the pro series, like what? What inspired that?
Speaker 2:so we, uh, a buddy of mine, will walton, kind of dragged me to a board meeting and said hey, I need a tech guy. So my background's in tech, uh, I have an it business and he's like I need a tech guy to come out with me and help me do a powerpoint. Uh, I'm presenting to a board, um, shooting range board and I want to get nrl 22 matches going. For people who don't know, nrl 22 is the national. It's actually changed now it's the national rim fire league, um, and they hosted monthly 22 matches all across the country. Uh, and they had a championship match every year. So we started with that.
Speaker 2:And what makes the NRL a little unique is they actually give you the course of fire that you have to follow. They give you five stages and they go hey, your match is gonna be five stages and you have to do these five stages that we give you. Well, we in Montana we can go. We have terrain, we're not just a flat box range, so most of the range out here, these crazy train stuff, so we can do uphill shots, downhill into coulee, whatever we want. So we're looking up their course of fires. I'm like, yeah, this is cool. I understand the purpose of this. But you know they had capped at 100 yards max. It's like, well, we could easily shoot past 100 yards, um, but they designed their whole entire thing around 100 yard bay. You know, 100 yard shooting bay at the average shooting range across the country.
Speaker 2:Well, we did our first match, nrl, and we're like this is cool, but we can do something way better. So we had reached out to some other clubs that were doing nrl at the time in montana and we're like, hey, what's your thoughts on the nrl? And blah, blah, blah, and you know a lot of them we had talked or we were talking to them. They actually had stopped before we started in the row, that maybe you know. They stopped a couple of months before saying, you know, and it's not for us, we just kind of still do monthly matches, but it's on a little outlaw style stuff. So we were like, well, you know what, why don't we come up with an outlaw series and we, just for the Montana guys, we'll have a little championship match of our own and go from there. So that's what we started.
Speaker 2:Like I said, kyle Gibson, tom Patrick, will Walton, myself, all started this three club series and we had a little six months. So I think it started like in June. We had like a six month mini series. It was the finale in like February, which was terrible months, to do a championship and rally in like February, which was terrible months to do a championship. Yeah, um, and like first half of the day it was fine, the dump, snow, uh, and then after that we kind of just we had, you know, I think it was like 30, 40 people show up, um, and it was actually we.
Speaker 2:We saw the, the niche of like you know what we're on to something here. If we're getting 40 people just with people in Montana and Montana's a you know, you live here, it's a big state but not a lot of people. It's all spread out, so we get 40 people at a rimfire match in February. I'm like we have something, we can. We can make this big. So, um, I kind of took the lead on it, um, with some help with the guys, but I kind of took the lead and over the years I still get help from some of the guys, but I'm kind of the main guy now, um, but I basically have now kind of grown this into. You know what it is today we're sitting at, like I said, 50 clubs in 17 states and provinces, two different countries, us and Canada and yeah, it's grown rapidly.
Speaker 2:We just found a niche with a lot of people who wanted to do something more outlaw style, that didn't want to do the nrl monthly course of fire. Um, again, nothing wrong with the nrl course of fire, but it just didn't make sense for a lot of us. If you're hosting, hosting a monthly match and, uh, you know it's dumping blizzard in montana but sunny in florida why are we being compared against the same scores? It never really made sense to me. So, um, we kind of started a series where it's like your only points table is your club's points table, that's all that matters and it's all local based. And then we have, you know, bigger matches and we'll talk about that stuff later. But, um, we kind of decided just to make an option for other people, uh, who wanted to do more outlaw style stuff, and that's kind of the niche we stuck with and that's as you can tell it.
Speaker 1:It's, it's worked, it's grown and people like it man, it's, it's an absolute blast. There was a whole year there when I started that I didn't even shoot any centerfire. I was just. I was having so much fun doing rimfire matches that I was like I'll shoot centerfire later. I don't want to spend 10 hours reloading reloading.
Speaker 2:I remember talking to you specifically and you were like yeah, I'm going to go to this match tomorrow, but I'm a hunter round. I got to load a hundred rounds. I'm like you're going to load a hundred rounds tonight. It's like eight o'clock at night and then we got to leave at like five in the morning. If you want to go to the centerfire match. You're like, yeah, I'll reload, or whatever.
Speaker 1:And it's like yeah, now think of that same thing. Hey, you want to go to match tomorrow, zach? Yeah sure, let me grab a box ammo. I'll meet you there. Yeah, we're done. We're already done, we don't even have to do anything else. Exactly, we're done. And the funny thing is, too, is, like you know, even if you do have flyers and shit with rimfire which definitely happens it's it's fucking. First off, it's rimfire ammo, second off, it's factory ammo. It's just like, oh, out of fire, that's uh, that's 22 ammo for you. You know, I mean that shit happens you. There's nothing you could do about it, because with with reloading, with centerfire stuff, if you have a crazy flyer, it's like, oh shit, what did I do? What I do? Yeah, like what, what did I did I miss? Did I not resize that specific brass? Like oh shit, like you know, and it's with 22 stuff, it's out of your control and you know it is what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's just so much fun, it's just a blast. There's a little more carefree to it, but there still is a lot of competitiveness and very you know there's a big competition. Um, I will say, like you said, with the flyers, 100 it's rimfire. It's rimfire ammo. You know it happens. That being said, if you are a serious competitor, there's a lot of things you can do to mitigate that. You know, setting your gun in for lot testing, going to the higher end Lapua ammos, you can get your standard deviation quite low. Um, you know my non-lot tested Midas plus standard deviation sub five. And yeah, you'll get a flyer from now and again. Um, but again I'm paying more money for my ammo, but I also travel all over the country, so it's kind of that. I think it's a gateway drug to the centerfire world for sure um, I think a lot of people should just hop.
Speaker 2:Even if you're already doing centerfire, hop into rimfire and shoot rimfire as well. People will sit there, you know, and make the excuse oh well, rimfire center first. So different, it's not a good practice tool.
Speaker 1:I totally disagree I disagree as well centerfire.
Speaker 2:I think the big differences are in centerfire. Target acquisition is a little different, you know you're looking at farther distances, you know it. Just it's different right. Recoil management, completely different right. You know your rimfire is not jumping into my shoulder like a, you know a seven psalm is, or a six, five prc, or even my dasher right like it's not going to do the same thing, but other than that, building positions, build and break drills. You know your 10 second build and break um movement, transitioning, um trigger pulls, uh, clock management. You know all that stuff, fact it goes over, it carries over. Exactly I've gotten shot centerfire matches and I've had issues. You know, like I was using factory ammo at the time, a centerfire, and you know I had my issues there, but fundamentally I was completing the stages quicker than most people, exactly that's a good thing you were.
Speaker 1:You were doing great at the a lot of the matches that you and I both showed up to. As good thing you were. You were doing great at the a lot of the matches that you and I both showed up to. As far as centerfire, you were doing really good man, like totally, it totally correlates comes comes down to factory ammo.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, my, my factory ammo six cream we're shooting about 3100, 3100 feet per second. Uh, that cooks a barrel, yeah, so um talk to me about cooking barrels yeah, I know your barrel. I've seen the fire cracking your barrel, not uh three thousand rounds on a sixth creed more yeah, yeah, I think you're done for, yeah, but uh, you know it definitely.
Speaker 2:Like you know, I'll talk to guys who just do centerfire. It's like you've shot, you know, maybe not you, but these people. They shot a couple matches. They may be done, you know, a couple days at the practice range shooting maybe. They're maybe altogether a thousand rounds a year. You're done 10 000 rounds a year oh yeah, fire, oh yeah so, even though maybe I'm not doing the same recoil management stuff like that, I'm still getting that trigger time.
Speaker 1:Well, the fundamentals of marksmanship both correlate to, to both of those disciplines, and that's what's going to make a good shooter is the fundamentals of marksmanship. You know, there's little ambiances in between the two, like, like he's already mentioned, like recoil management, target acquisition, um, and some you know, minor ones here and there, um, but in in all, like they're, they both very much correlate with each other, you know. So, yeah, absolutely, um, no, a hundred percent agree.
Speaker 2:I mean, half the battle in these matches is mental game, right? So, if I can, you know you look at a race car driver. Or you know the Blue Angels, right, they'll sit there and they'll close their eyes and they'll, you know, 10 guys will sit there pretending to fly a jet and all the procedures, eyes closed, just familiarizing themselves with this. You know what they're going to do, right, how they're going to perform For centerfire, I'm doing that with actual rounds, yes, with less recoil and with the rimfire, but I'm still building, breaking that position. You know, balancing my rifle, uh, you know getting on target pull making, practicing my trigger pulls, over and over and over again. I mean, there's something to be said. I mean, yes, if you could do that, 10 000 rounds in a year with center fire, you have the financial means to do that. Yes, I, I think that that's probably better uh, practice. But if you can't and you still want to do your own thing and still want to maybe compete in rimfire, you know you don't have to do 10 000 rounds, but if you're just getting trigger time, it's going to help you become a better marksman.
Speaker 2:Centerfire and rimfire, you know, help become a better hunter. I mean, I know guys who got into the sport, rimfire specifically, and who go you know, dude, I've learned more this last year, shouldn't rimfire? Uh, then I have my whole entire hunting, you know career and it's like I can take a lot of the stuff I've learned and bring this in. I can become a better hunter off of this. I can bring this into my hunting world, my my, just like you said, fundamentals are right, or marksmanship right. Like you know, a lot of this stuff apply, it all applies. It all applies to, uh, centerfire and rimfire. So, yeah, I think it's just a great, a great skill to learn and a great practice. And honestly, I have so much fun with rimfire that I still think rimfire is my primary over centerfire.
Speaker 1:But dude, yeah's just a lot. I mean, I'll tell you, man, ever since I picked up Rimfire, it's been my primary, you know. I mean I fell on the wayside as far as matches since April. You know the reasoning behind that. I'm not going to voice that over the podcast, but yeah, man and I was pretty much strictly just rimfire just because it was so goddamn fun.
Speaker 2:But the quality of matches. I mean, you've traveled with me, we've gone to st george, utah. We've gone to wyoming, we've gotten some big matches, dude, they're great. You know people think, oh, rimfire is gonna be less quality of a match. It's not not a chance in hell yeah, st george is probably one of the best matches I've been to. You know, I mean, and I mean you had done that match with us.
Speaker 1:That was a blast oh man, it was so much fun.
Speaker 2:I was actually just looking at uh you didn't go to saint george, though, sorry, not saint george price price, price utah yeah yeah, I was just looking at pictures, uh, just literally yesterday about that.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh man, that's so much fun. I'm like whoever took this video of me, their phone sucks because this video sucks. I wanted to post it but I don't know who it was. But it was iphone to android and you know how they don't work and yeah all that stuff oh that good shit that match was so much fun for the people listening.
Speaker 2:We went down to the largest one-day rimfire event hosted by boyd Linder and Jared Howell I think his last name, and it was the was it the rimfire revival or something like that was called, and it was like God, over 100 small people for a one day match. It's like what? 15 stages or something, 12. There's a lot of stages for one day, yeah, and it was in Price. Utah, this mega huge range.
Speaker 2:It was like cowboy town action town and like, we utilize the cowboy action but you shot, you know, cowboy action super short distance. So we use the props from cowboy action but shot past, you know, the wall, past the facility, out to the wild terrain yes, you're like shooting from the jail cell up into the hills the shitter. You're in the crap they have the outhouse that's open on one side. You're shooting through the outhouse door. They open the door, dude I bombed that stage.
Speaker 1:Oh man, that was my first stage that I really like shit. The bed on too.
Speaker 2:I'll never forget that stage you made that mental error, wasn't it? When you jumped you had to shoot a target order and you went accidentally one target ahead, yep, and then coming off the gun and looking all those targets, it's really hard to see which target you're on. So if you got out of order, it can really screw you.
Speaker 1:I remember that, yeah mess with my head and I just for the rest of the day it was kind of like hit and miss oh, then the, then the double feeding and, uh, failure to extract with the rimfire on two different stages. Yeah, I got remixed twice for people listening.
Speaker 2:Probably a lot of people are in the rimfire game. But so for your big brand companies, you got voodoo and remex um, both phenomenal companies. Both will make custom um actions for rimfire. Uh, if you're looking to buy once, cry once. Those are the companies you want to go with. Uh, but it's funny, remex has been known. People can get rimx and what it is is basically rimx um. Forget how they're designed, but basically, uh, what is it? A control, what's?
Speaker 1:the controlled feed there you go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the round. If you get an extractor kind of damaged, if you short stroke your bolt, you can damage your extractor and it's very hard to notice it's damaged. But you will know when it is damaged, because it's hard to look and see it's damaged, but when it's damaged you'll know on the range, because exactly what happened to Zach, you'll go to run the bolt and you will not extract all the rounds.
Speaker 1:And so you'll have to sit the bolt and you will not extract all around. Yep, like on your sit there and pry the round out. Yep, like your first or second round of the stage, and you're on the clock and you're like fuck yeah, and not to talk about urmex.
Speaker 2:They're great companies, they're in arms and make great actions. That's just their little flaw. Their mags are perfect though, but then you go the other side, voodoo, great company as well, but they don't have the nicest mags. Um, some people have great luck with them, some people don't, so they kind of have the feeding issue. So both of them have some of their issues and there's ways to fix them. Um, I run a, primarily a voodoo, but, um, but anyways, yeah, rimfire, there is some phoenix, right? I mean, if you're going on a cloner rifle, like we have both remington 700 clone rifles, um, there's going to be issues because you're running a rimfire on a centerfire footprint. Um, you know, if you stick with the, the cz's and the um and shoots uh that are designed in footprints around rimfire.
Speaker 2:You're probably not going to have the same issues we're having, but, with that being said, we're we're doing this to also practice for centerfire, so we want everything on our rifles to be cloned um of our, you know yeah, my uh, my two rifles are pretty much a clone.
Speaker 1:I mean I have the uh the um masterpiece arms um both chassis on my centerfire and my uh fire.
Speaker 2:So I tried to make it as close as.
Speaker 1:I could.
Speaker 2:Actually I know you want to talk about this. I can run through this real quick. So real quick my setup. I'll kind of go over my gear recommendation here and what I would recommend for what I'm running. So I run a Voodoo V22 and MDT ACC Elite. That Voodoo is running a 22 inch 1.2 straight taper barrel. It's a thick boy, she's thick. I'm running a Sperm out with a Vortex Razor Gen 3 optic, a Trigger Tech two stage gold trigger.
Speaker 2:Finally, I got on the gold bandwagon with the guys over at trigger tech and they need me a custom trigger and I am so happy I've always wanted. I love their two stage. I run the two stage. They don't really make gold two stages, um, you've seen around black friday they make one stage gold triggers but not two um, if they do make it, two stages always been the curve, I got a flat two gold. I'm so excited. So that's what I'm running with that um, I'm so, I'm so happy, uh, finally, years in the making of that one um.
Speaker 2:And then I'm running an mdt skypod, uh, for my bipod and, uh, that's kind of run. Uh, lapua, midas ammo. So my rig all together, most of it's been one um. I won the action and a cert for it, um, and I've gotten percent off certs and a lot of things. So, um, when you hear the price of my, my rifle, you know it's it's pushing what, six, seven, eight thousand dollars, depending on if you got full price on the scope, uh, but I didn't pay that. But with that being said, um, you know that is the buy once, cry once option. Yeah, uh, for people who are looking to get in the sport, you can bring your 1022, your cz, your bergar, b14r, bmr. You know, even shoot savage or um who's the uh?
Speaker 2:who's the national champ 2023 that won uh zane herman, a good buddy of mine, zane herman won the nrl 22 national championship in 2023 um with a factory tikka yep factory.
Speaker 1:There you go, it's the.
Speaker 2:It's the nut tikka yep, exactly, it's the nut behind the bolt boys yep, yeah, he is definitely a nut, for sure, I have good vibes with that guy. He's a good guy. But yeah, you don't have to have the best gear to win, right, like I mean, all these guns are going to shoot. Well, zane, like I said, won with a factory Tikka and an Athlon scope and all he did was he sent his gun in for lot testing and had some good ammo behind it. But other than that factory, I mean it shows, I mean he's probably one. He was on team usa, he's probably one of the fastest shooters I know. Um, but just something about being fast, accurate, building a good position. I mean those are good trigger pulls. That makes you a good rifle. You know rifleman and marksman. So exactly it's not. It's not about the gear. Right, it can help and you can buy so many impacts, but at the end of the day it is you the shooter.
Speaker 1:Uh, at the end of it, Especially when it gets to that level. You know I mean, uh yeah, guys aren't aren't really dropping, dropping um shots at all. You know it's. It comes down to the nut behind the bolt and who's the actual better shooter? Yeah, you could buy a couple impacts here and there and and have some gear help you out and make things a little bit more comfortable, but yeah, at the end of the day it's the shooter for sure.
Speaker 2:The biggest thing is mental, mental game.
Speaker 1:Oh it is, it's. It's definitely a big mental game.
Speaker 2:To dive down, like on that side from from kind of taking a step away from here real quick, from talking about the pro series, but from me as a competitor and I travel, I've gone to nationals for the last three years and and, um, you know, for me it's all mental. You know I can shoot probably as well as majority. I mean again, I'm not saying I'm the same standard as these guys. You know, zane hermans or jason edveds and tyler orson, justin carbone's, and they're just more consistent and they're obviously better sure than I am. But you know I've beaten some of them, you know, like anything can happen on any given day. But I think the biggest difference is their mental games are so strong oh dude I'm pretty solid on a two-day match.
Speaker 2:It's, you know, mental fatigue. It's just staying in it, you know it's. It's a whole different ball game they, they have it down, man.
Speaker 1:They're able to figure out how to control their thoughts, how to control everything. Everything is so consistent with those guys. Very good dudes to learn from, for sure, you know, and pick their brain and all sorts of stuff. As far as mental awareness in a match, why don't you touch on the story about me when I didn't eat before, before a match? I think it was just a one day, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah. So you guys want to hear some inside dirty, dirty uh gossip on zach here. So, uh, here's the real truth about zach. Zach gets uh hangry. Um, you know this typical snicker commercial and you know you're hungry. You eat a snickers, right, not yourself, that's that. Um, I won't go to a match with zach anymore unless I have snacks. Um, or his wife has provided some type of food or reimbursement for food to pay for him to get snacks. Uh, because zach is not zach. Or uh, when he is hungry, um, the amount of mental mistakes he makes uh when he's hungry is comical. And then you give him some food and then he cleans the stage. You're like, oh, that's what all it took was. You know a mcdonald's breakfast sandwich and you could do fine oh man, that was so funny.
Speaker 1:I don't get it with you yeah, I think I think that stage of that day, I think it was my very first stage of the day it was the first stage stage this day, you bombed it was the worst sandwich oh my god, it was the worst stage that I've ever done.
Speaker 1:And I remember walking down and matt was matt greenfield was looking at me and he's been on a prior podcast and uh, he looked at me and he goes are are you okay? Like is something wrong with you? Because I've never seen you bomb a stage like that gun was broken.
Speaker 2:He thought maybe you had lost vision in both eyes. I mean, he thought something was majorly wrong with you. We were considered taken to the hospital after that one. But yeah, and then you got food in your system. They're like oh, clean, clean, clean, have a great day. So yeah, note to self, if you ever get the company or get Evzak a company company, you do a match.
Speaker 1:Uh, give him food, bring snacks jerky, you know, yep preferably, uh, preferably some adult bodies. Yep, exactly, that's no. Preferably, uh, mcdonald's breakfast sandwich, that'll. That'll hold me off for about four or five stages yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2:you might bring a couple to get them through the whole day, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, that's great. So, as far as equipment recommendations for new shooters, why don't you dive down into that? And, yeah, tell the guys that are listening to this that haven't shot 22 matches or they're just looking to get into precision shooting. What exactly do they need to just show up to the range and start shooting?
Speaker 2:So the really cool part about rimfire and why I like rimfire is you know you want to get in a centerfire shooting. You want to get a centerfire match. You can't really just show up and go hey, can I like give a loaner rifle, can I borrow your gun? Some series do, some matches do, but it's a lot harder to go up to. You know random guy like, can I borrow your eight thousand,000 rifle or whatever it is Most guys are running high-end competition stuff Go up to a match and be like and also, can I shoot $107 in your ammo? And all the time you put into loading that ammo it's kind of hard to convince someone to do that.
Speaker 2:So for Rimfire, what I would recommend if you want to get into the sport, go to the NRL's website. Go to our precisionrimfirealliescom website. Go to the PRS website. Find a club that's shooting monthly rimfire matches near you. Contact the match director and go hey, I want to get into the sport. Do you have, can I come out and one watch? And two, do you have a loaner rifle that I could possibly use to shoot a match? 90% of the time they're going to say you're not going to watch, you're going to come shoot the match and we're going to give you a load of rifle and ammo and you're going to come shoot.
Speaker 2:The community is just great. So a lot of them just tell you to come out, bring whatever you have. They'll tell you when you get there what not to bring back, what to bring back, what you need, but they will usually put something in your hand and go. This is basically the starting rifle you would recommend, or this is the high-end rifle I'd recommend, or they'll work around with you. You know your budget and your price range and help you build a rifle to do this sport. But honestly, if you have a 10-22s in the back of your closet or a CZ or a Ruger RPR or just some type of .22 rifle, bring it out. As long as you have. You know, I would highly recommend 6 to 24 power. If you got like something that's like up to 12 power, it's possible, but I really wouldn't recommend it and I'm just being some of the distance stuff. You can get away with the total power, but you start to get past 100, it's a little tough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, targets are small yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:But if you just had a 10-22 in your closet with a diamondback tactical on that thing, bring on out, bring it out, bring a you know a box of your cci ammo, whatever you got laying around, but uh, preferably subsonic. Highly recommend subsonic. Doesn't sound like it makes a big deal. Um, I'm not gonna get into the science behind it, but subsonic ammo is the way to go and rimfire world you rub. If you run um supersonic stuff, you're gonna have a lot of issues with popping and it kind of diverting different directions. Again, not from the science that there's a lot of stuff, information about that, but um, yeah, but what?
Speaker 2:I'd recommend for sure is, bring what you got, um, and come on out and just shoot a match. You'll learn. So for sure is, bring what you got, um, and come on out and just shoot a match. You'll learn so much. You'll see what you've done wrong your whole life. Um, you'll see all those hunting positions you've built over the years. You're like, oh, that's terrible, why am I doing this? That's not.
Speaker 2:You know getting into your natural point of aim, stuff that you know people have been doing wrong for the whole time. And you know lifting your left elbow, your knee instead of your right, or lifting your right knee instead of your left knee. And again, you get really deep into fundamentals here. But, um, there's a lot of things that people have done wrong for so long that the first thing I'd recommend is come out to a match and shoot it and whatever you got, and come out again and each time get something new or start building a rifle and and trust me, you'll get sucked in this rabbit hole. Uh, down this rabbit hole so quickly, it's really, it'll really bring you there.
Speaker 1:It'll piss off your wife or your husband.
Speaker 2:Oh, a hundred percent, or whoever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, yeah. And on top of that, guys, if, uh, if, if you're wanting some, uh, professional instruction, reach out on my website, precision next productionscom. And, uh, I do a one-on-one lessons and I put on courses as well, so keep your eye out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're really good courses. He's actually putting on a hunting one coming up and it looks very awesome. I'm really excited for this one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I am too. It's gonna be a good one. Shane's gonna be helping me out with that and yeah, just something a little different. And pretty much everyone here that shoots on the range 22 or centerfire they're hunting. So why not make a course that's designed and oriented towards hunting? I think it gets some good reviews and I think people would enjoy it, and, yeah, it'd be a good time.
Speaker 2:I think if anyone watches your video of you getting your moose in alaska, um, we'll, we'll see how all the practice and hard work that you've done, um, you know, puts in and puts in place and you can really see how good fundamentals uh can and make or break a hunt and uh, yeah, honestly, I think all you have to do show that video of you just dropping that moose three shots and three away, just boom, boom, boom.
Speaker 1:That thing, just dumped I mean dumped him right in his tracks. I was uh not wanting, uh, to let him get any further from the river than he already was oh yeah, I showed it to a buddy.
Speaker 2:He's like why do you shoot it three times? I'm like, do you want to go chase that moose through that? Uh, swap, he was gonna shoot that thing and in there your shots were clean. I mean, it wasn't like you're just, you know, wounded him every time. You were, you know, hitting the vitals every time and you're just trying to drop them and uh, it's a big animal. So, yeah, it's yeah yeah, exactly that.
Speaker 1:Uh, that comes down to, uh, recoil management and you know, all the stuff that we train for comes down to that one little moment. You know that that 30 seconds where you see the animal, you range it, you have a, you have, um, you know, uh, a series in your head on how you're going to do things, cause you've done it for hundreds and hundreds of hundreds of times and uh, it all. That's what it comes down to. Man is just making those good shots when it counts, cause you know you don't want to wound an animal and let it go, and you know, and uh, yeah, so, train, train, train, oh yeah, so, uh, um, let's talk a little bit more about the pro series.
Speaker 1:Man, uh, match format and rules. Uh, I don't want to dive deep down into, uh, like, the nitty gritty and the policies and procedures and all that good stuff of it, but give a, give a, I guess, just discuss the format of the rimfire outlaw matches and a little bit of the rules and what makes it unique compared to other shooting competitions. You've kind of already touched on it, but let's, let's dabble back into that a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So if anyone's familiar with the PRS style of shooting or precision rifle shooting, basically with the pro series and how our series works, we leave of course, fire up the match director, but the, the average, let's just kind of. I'm not going to get the nitty gritty and talk about every match, but let's just give you a basic, broad understanding of how this format works. Uh, typically it's five to ten stages for a match. Um, your distances are typically 25 yards out to, you know, 250, typically max. Some ranges will go farther, but for a competitive match, typically you're not going to go much farther than 250, um, not saying that the rimfire isn't capable of going past 250. There was a match called the king of the 0.28 mile, I think. It's like 500 and some yards and they can accurately hit that uh with their 22. But for the most prs style matches we're shooting 25 to to
Speaker 2:.250. Targets are, you know, smallest targets, a quarter-inch target. It's tiny, and then you can get out to, like you know, 12, 12-inch targets, if not some bigger depending on how far we're going, but they're all appropriate sizes. But that's kind of the basic there. Your time is typically going to be anywhere from a minute 45, minute 30, to two minutes and 30 seconds, depending on the stage, the region, the country you're shooting, depending on the match format, so on and so forth. Most targets are going to have placards next to it letting you know a target sign like, hey, this target 1, 2, 3, 4, so on and so forth. Some ranges don't do that. They use color coordination instead and stuff like that. Those are more field-style matches, but that's kind of basic on
Speaker 2:that. This sport's all about position building. So typically how this is going to work is you're going to have a prop on that stage, multiple props on that stage, and maybe from position one you'll shoot target one twice and then move to position two, and so on and so forth. Uh, typically it's about 10 to 12 rounds per stage, sometimes a little bit more. Again, all depends where you're shooting. Um, there is some prone involved in some bipod usage involved, but uh, a lot of us in the sport talk about uh bipods almost becoming uh glorified kickstands in the sport, but uh, they they're still used um. I've used my skypod double pole quite often um at
Speaker 2:matches. Um, not as much as you'd think. This isn't belly style match stuff, but it is used um other than that I mean it's kind of the basic for a match. I mean, typically I said you're in five to ten stages, it's going to probably take you two to four hours to shoot a match on a weekend. And uh, yeah, it's kind of the basic for a match. I mean, typically I said you're in five to 10 stages, it's going to probably take you two to four hours to shoot a match on a weekend and yeah, it's kind of the basic basic. If I had to give you a really basic rundown of how a match is laid out, that's kind of how I would do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know, we've, we. But it translates directly over into the PRS style matches and stuff for your your, you know, position building and it's all about the fundamentals of marksmanship, uh, bone support, muscular relaxation, a natural point of aim. Um, while building these non-conventional shooting positions you know some of them are, some of them are tricky where you know you have in, um, a lot of it comes down to as well, especially when you go to these national matches, you're not allowed to touch any of their props or anything to kind of feel, to see how wobbly they are and everything, um, you know. So you have to really look at the prop and identify where you're going to put your feet, where you're going to put your bag, we're going to put your gun, orient your body towards the target and then also have the sequence of the shooting order in your head memorized.
Speaker 2:So it's, uh, it's really you can write it down too. But, yeah, memorize is key, right? Like, yeah, you're gonna run down and memorize it, but it's not like you're completely blind out there. We do allow, uh, something called dope cards.
Speaker 1:You are allowed to write down yes correct or our band's notes yeah, thank you for that correction there you are trying to memorize this yeah, yeah, the best, the best that you could do is actually memorize the stage so that way you're not having to take time to look at your dope cards and everything, because you're not going to be able to remember your dope for for every shot, of course, uh, but trying to remember the sequence of the targets, for sure, um, and a lot of these, they can get pretty tricky.
Speaker 1:For sure, where there's there's a lot of targets out there and you have to uh try to remember the order, and if you can't, you got to refer back to your, uh, your handwritten notes or whatever. I'm doing all this on the clock. I know it sounds hard, uh, but it's, it's just, it's just so much fun and by the end of your very first uh, like weekend comp or whatever you decide to go to um, you're going to be a 10 times better shooter than you were, uh, when you walked onto that field. Another thing I wanted to touch on, shane, was the community building. I guess let's touch a little bit on how the series fosters a sense of community among the competitors and the importance of camaraderie in shooting sports.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean the community itself in the Rimfire. Any type of shooting sports world is awesome. I don't know. So now at Rimfire, the community is just, I think, even better. I don't really see drama, you don't really see the bickering. Everyone's there to help each other.
Speaker 2:I mean, even at so at this sport in center fire, there's something called the USPRA. Basically it's our US team. So we have a US team not we as in myself, but the country– has a US team that goes and competes with other countries. Every year or every other year. That's for two years, rimfire and center fire alternate. So, year as for two years, rimfire and Centerfire alternate. So I mean, even these guys who are going to worlds right and are competing against other countries will be sitting there helping each other. Like it's crazy to think that in a competitive, such a competitive environment and that people representing the country are still helping each other. Uh, and that's even just win calls, if that's you know recommending like a strategy for that stage. You know, this sport is just so helpful to each other. Everyone wants each other to succeed. Um, it is still competitive. I'm not trying to make it one of these things like oh, it's a participation trophy, everyone's out here punching in the back, hippie, io type thing, but it's, it's just.
Speaker 2:The community is just awesome. I mean I've met some really good friends through it. I travel over the country and I have buddies across the country that I'm like oh, I'm going to this town, oh, I'm going that match too. Or oh, I live here, come stay with me. I mean you know, you meet so many people in this sport. Um, everyone's so helpful. I mean, shoot, we've been to matches before. We're like, you needed to borrow a dope card here. Grab here, let me grab an extra dope card via zach and shoot my dope card. Or you know, here's the extra dope card for you. Or, oh, you know, I left my bipod out because someone, I'll borrow your bipod. Or you know just, oh, it's super dusty this match. Hey, you need a lens cleaner. You know, the community is just awesome, man. I mean I think the camaraderie in the sport is just so awesome. Um, I mean you know as much as me, we've met so many good people through this sport that this community is just awesome. It's a great community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, little story on my very first match, my background law enforcement sniper and this was like four years ago or so and it was a centerfire match. I was just bringing my work gun Well, it's technically my personal rifle, but qualified on it for for work and um didn't really. I didn't have a whole lot of confidence as far as, uh, the rifle system. But coming with the background as a sniper and precision shooting and all that stuff, I I thought I was going to do really well. And I show up and I'm seeing all this, these uh, hot rod, you know, um, six Creed cartridges and six millimeter cartridges and all that sort of stuff. And I'm like, oh man, what's going on here? And you know, and it's just your average Joe that absolutely loves shooting and it could be a, a doctor, it could be a lawyer, it could be a garbage man, it could be a teacher, it could be, you know, whoever.
Speaker 1:And I got people from all different backgrounds, all different backgrounds. And I show up and, uh, it was known that this was my very first match. I made it known to my squad and I squatted with, uh god, uh, seven or eight different guys there was like 75 people here at this match and, um, I, um, I, very, very quickly, um, gathered that I sucked and um, it was awesome because every single guy in that squad was, uh, I think he was a, um, a class a shooter. I was, uh, unclassified at the time and every single one of those guys wanted me to do so freaking well, it was incredible, man. They like immediately made friends with me, wanted to, um, wanted me to share their gear with them. They were giving me tips, they were giving me all sorts of stuff, just literally made me feel at home and by the end of that day, um, they were all rooting for me and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1:By the end of that day, I had every single one of their numbers and I keep in contact with them and it was. It was just great man, and like that was it, that was it for me. I went back to my house and started forking out the funds to build myself a custom, a custom gun and, yeah, it was just great. Man, I was absolutely hooked and that was the start for me. That just shows you the. You know you're competing against each other, but when it comes down to it, no one really cares like everyone's there to have fun you're competing against yourself.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day you are competing, but it's like you're trying to get your best score and it's a big game in your own head and like you said, you said you sucked but you didn't really suck. You know, coming from a law enforcement background and we've talked about before you're you know shooting is just a small part of what you're doing. You know, for the sniper team and also usually it's one target. Usually you're not going after 10 bad guys in six different positions in two minutes you know, exactly for an hour, two, three, four hours sitting on a guy like all right, well, what?
Speaker 2:well, what do I do? You know I was waiting for this guy to make a move right. So like for you going from from that to being really good at your job and then coming to competitive shooting and you go I suck. It's like you know we've talked before. You don't suck. You're phenomenal shooter and phenomenal coach and instructor.
Speaker 2:But competitive ball, competitive shooting, is a totally different ball game than law enforcement or military. I mean, I've seen this a lot. You know, there's some big centerfire matches where you know they'll have the military law enforcement division. These guys come out, you know we'll bring their gas guns and centerfire Of course I'm talking about. And they'll come out and they're like, oh, yeah, I'm a great shooter. I was like, yeah, you are probably really good shooter, military, and you know, don't be wrong. But now you're going against guys who don't do this for work, this is for fun, this is for hobby. They're putting not, this isn't their oh, they're getting paid to do this, they're, they're paying, they're doing this out of their own pocket, so they better, you know, put all your effort into it so they'll come out and then they'll whoop your ass and you're like, oh shoot, yeah, it's like I don't suck, but competition is all different ballgame it's a totally different ballgame, oh yeah, and it's just so much fun.
Speaker 1:And the cool thing is is that it rounded me as as a marksman so well like that, translated very well into what I was. I basically I was tying up the loose ends as far as the marksmanship portion into the law enforcement sniper stuff and I actually began teaching a lot of those, a lot of the, the, the fundamentals of marksmanship and everything that I learned, like positional shooting and stuff from competition into the law enforcement sniper environment and the response was really good. Positional shooting was great because typical, typically you know snipers, they, like you just said, they have one target. But when you, when you're training on multiple targets and multiple different positions and stuff constantly, when that day comes, when, when you know you only have one target to focus on and it just it just makes everything so much easier because you know you're training harder than you're working yeah, it's better to over train, right?
Speaker 1:so then when the real situation happens, it's a cakewalk to you and exactly and that translates well over into the hunting realm as well you're training 10 times harder out on the range during competitions and stuff than you are hunting well, like I said originally, you know I didn't touch a firearm until 2020.
Speaker 2:So for me, um, this is my first year hunting. So I went hunting this last year, um, this last hunting season, and you know they talk about like, oh, you're gonna have the, the deer shakes, you know the deer buck fever and you're gonna be, you know you're gonna be hiking all over and da, da, da, it's like okay, yeah, and when I got all my deer, I was calm as can be. I, I didn't have a shake in the world. I had my spotter next to me. He was giving me, you know, call out some distance from me. And then, you know, ready to go, and took my first shot, hit it.
Speaker 2:Uh, my rifle was a little off, um, I, I end up looking back and some of the action screws were a little loose my own fault, uh. But gun was great. Uh, vertical, just left and right was way off, like six, seven, eight inches off, um, and, uh, it's like all right, you hit it. He's kind of stumbling um, he kind of lay down and he was like, you know, you want to send another one. And I'm like, yep, I'll make the correction. And another shot, boom, hit the vials and dropped him and, uh, you know it's. It's just the competition side of that really helps. Honestly, like you know, I didn't have any shake nothing and to me, take taking those, those fundamental or fundamentals I learned from prison, shooting in the competition realm and putting that and implementing that into the hunting world was, I think, just a huge benefit, you know, beneficial um and that was your very first time oh yeah, very first day hunting yeah, very first day hunting and you were able to apply what you have learned in the competition world into, um, into hunting.
Speaker 1:And you know you you mentioned there that you didn't have the shakes, you weren't getting the quote-unquote uh buck fever. You know your training probably kicked in and you know your training as far as the familiarity with what you were doing, as far as, uh, putting, putting a bullet where you wanted to put it and um, that just comes down to, and you know what competitions can do. That too, where my very first match I was, I was pretty nervous, you know, getting up in front of a bunch of people and, um, you know, thinking I was going to do great, and I quickly learned that I wasn't. Um, you know, you get, you can get the shakes a little bit from uh, from competitions and stuff. Usually, uh, you could shake them out after the first stage. But you don't get that opportunity, uh, to shake them out after the first stage when you're hunting.
Speaker 2:It's, it's there, you know, and that's the only opportunity you get, you miss or you nick that animal, it could be a whole different ball game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, you only get one, one opportunity for sure. Um, let's, uh, let's dive back into a little bit to the pro series, man, uh, what are the future plans for, uh, for the pro series?
Speaker 2:so, uh, like I said, we started with three clubs in montana and we've almost doubled every single season and now we're on our uh fifth or fifth season, fourth, fifth season, uh, with 50 clubs now. So, um, my, my future plans just keep growing the series. Um, we've had some talks from some guys, actually from New Zealand and Australia, so might pick up two more countries, which would be really cool. Um, but you're growing this thing as large as possible. You know, um, we're a free series, that's. I just try to preface that from the beginning. We we don't charge um for our membership, um or submitting scores like some of the other leagues. Um, this is kind of all done, run, volunteer, like basically just volunteer. I volunteer my time and a couple other guys help with some some back end stuff. But, um, uh, you know, brody hetland and jake sally are both helped with a lot of the back end stuff. But uh, uh, you know, brody hetland and jake sally are both helped with a lot of the back end stuff and we just donate our time for this and and, um, you know, we just want to see the sport continue to grow. Uh, more, more people shooting, more monthly club shooting. I mean, that's our goal at the end of it.
Speaker 2:Um, we have uh started up something called the regional series, which is a paid 40 membership. Um, it is designed for the people who want to travel and get more of a uh harder match feel and preparation for the championship um, but again, that's all optional. Uh, you don't have to be uh have to do those they're again they're they're designed for the people who are willing and wanting to travel and want another uh route and opportunity to do to go to matches like that. Um, but uh, yeah, just to see the sport grow, man, and you know, we've put on a championship match every year and um last year we went to a two-day finale um and uh, it just grows more and more in size. You know, we had uh, you know, around 100 people I think, just over 100 people last year and it was hot, but uh, it was a fun two-day match. And this year um, actually the the gentleman uh, jason nedved, who won the nrl national championship last year, um is actually going to be our match director and he's hosting the finale uh june 21st and 22nd in gregory, south dakota. We just announced that the other day, um, but yeah, it'll be another two-day finale.
Speaker 2:Um, in the past we've had title sponsors such as leopold, um, actually, leopold's been a title sponsor for the last few years. So we, you know, usually have big, uh, big prize tables and big sponsors involved. Um, and I can go through a long list of sponsors, but we were reappeared vortex, mdt, trigger tech, athlon, you know, uh, she's uh, timney um, accu-tac, atlas, pipe. I mean there's tons and tons of companies that have been sponsors throughout the years and um have sponsored these events and, uh, you know, we have, I think our prize table is like 160, some thousand in prizes last year and you know, these matches, these big finale matches, become really big and a really big draw for a lot of people. So, uh, just our future, our goals, is just to continue doing what we're doing and growing and putting on bigger and better matches and and just reaching more and more people. Man, it's kind of the end goal, right more and more shooters, more, more, more people in this sport, bigger community yep, exactly no, and it's.
Speaker 1:It definitely hasn't stopped. It seems like every other month or whatever. I see on facebook, on the pro series web page, you know new club and I'm like, oh yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:So no, just lots of good stuff.
Speaker 1:Seven clubs in the last week okay, yeah, in the last week, there we go, holy shit, no joke.
Speaker 2:Every single year we have doubled in size yeah yeah, um, I mean we have.
Speaker 2:We have a club uh, farthest northwest up in like Smitter, canada, I mean way up in British Columbia, almost touching Alaska. And then we have, you know, far east, we have a club outside of Toronto in Canada, and then everywhere in between in the states, from Washington, idaho, montana, wyoming, colorado, kansas, missouri, minnesota, south Dakota, north Dakota, iowa, illinois, I mean Wisconsin, everywhere. I mean we just picked up a Utah club that we should be announcing here in the next couple of days. I mean we're just growing like wildfire man and it's really cool to see just more and more clubs involved in this sport.
Speaker 1:That's just great man, super, super happy just to even be a part of it. And, um, yeah, just absolutely pumped. That's good stuff for sure. Well, uh, we're coming up here on an hour, man, um, you got anything else that you want to share with the people? Um, if not just uh, let people know where they could uh reach out to you and uh, yeah, give, uh, give um your a little bit of your contact information, some social or emails or whatever yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'll kind of do two things. So first, yeah, socials, um, our website's precision rimfireoutlawscom a little long, but I've kind of spelt it out there. Uh, you can email me at shane scott at precision rimfireoutlawscom. If you have any questions about how to join the series, come to our website. All the info is right there under the info category you can see rules, sign up, your club, sign up for a free membership to shoot the matches and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2:As of the series, that's pretty much the gist of us, like I said, but honestly I would say the big thing I would say to everyone listening is if you're interested in this sport, it doesn't matter what syrian is, the nrl prs us go contact your local match director that's hosting matches and just get out and bring whatever you got and go shoot a match. I'm telling you you'll learn so much and you'll have such a good time that you will for sure be back. And if you don't ever go back, I would honestly it might be something wrong with you, because I I just don't see. It is so addictive, it is so competitive, it's so much fun. Um, it's a gateway drug to centerfire. So so you know, careful you might end up with a whole reloading, set up and down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 2:But, yeah it, just get out. You'll become a better shooter. You'll become a better you know hunter. It's really going to help you and you're going to have a good time doing it. So your wife might not like it. Like you said, you might spend a lot of money, but yeah, just get out and shoot man. Get out and shoot man get out and shoot.
Speaker 1:Get out and shoot. That's awesome, awesome man. Well, appreciate you being on the podcast and then, once we finish this up here, just go ahead and stay on the line for me yeah, no problem all right. Well, guys, hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Please like and subscribe to the channel. Would very much appreciate it and share it as well. And that's pretty much it. We are out Later. Peace.